Many'll do anything 2 keep God out of it. The crux of the problem is many (having limited knowledge) try 2 know what God did by imposing human limitations 4 understanding things 2 God's abilities. Ev issues:
Many scientific finds r true but it doesnt mean ';all'; their claims r true (many dont take time %26amp; energy 2 carefully think thru things b4 coming out 4 or against it). Many dont take in2 account all it takes 2 create a universe/life (they tend 2 focus on things ';seeming'; 2 support what they want 2 %26amp;/or u 2 believe).
In science we established laws of physics. We can't see laws of physics. Rather, we see the results/interpret/apply them in accordance with whats observed 2 b true by experiments/calculations. Same is true 4 God. Just b/c we can't see God doesn't mean He doesnt exist.
Theres forensic evidence 4 some micro-adaptation %26amp; 4 some appearance of macro-Ev but most is inconclusive @ best, pure conjecture @ worst. Finding the beginning/reason 4 it all is unattainable by scientific method alone (a billions of yrs old cold case). We didnt see it take place.
Things in Creation show an Intelligent Being was involved or the universe/we wouldnt b here (ignoring how it came 2 b). 4 instance:
1. We hv 2 lungs/2 kidneys - each has a near perfect mirror-image companion organ. It cant b explained away. Making a mirror-image organ takes full reverse engineering/knowledge/understanding of its companion's functions %26amp; purpose or it cant b created (2 witnesses in nature).
2. Our bodies r highly symmetrical from 1 side 2 the other. Its impossible unless 1 has an outside overview position allowing full knowledge of the entire organism (i.e. feather color patterns).
3. We hv 2 arms/2 legs. Each is perfectly designed/precisely engineered 2 work with its mirror-image companion. An outside position is required 2 fully comprehend the purpose/functions of the organism, 2 create it 2 such perfection.
4. The ';being'; of a cell is confined 2 within the cell membrane %26amp; cant know much beyond itself. A cell is magnitudes more intelligent than all humanity %26amp; has amazing powers 2 know all of an organism's functions/purpose or it isnt the ';brain'; behind Creation 4 many millions of incredibly diverse species. If Ev had a chance of being the source of Creation only 2 or 3 ';kinds'; of basic bodies with some related species would exist (would take billions of trillions of yrs longer than the universe has existed 2 hv the slightest chance of producing many millions of incredibly diverse species).
5. Many cells of an organism never contact others much beyond its tiny cell. Cells/organisms r just copies of their parents doing about the same things as all ancestors. U wont find a bird who builds a better nest than their parents %26amp; their chicks build even a better nest. U wont find a bear improving living conditions passed on 2 his young. Either a cell has 2 lives - 1 copying its parents %26amp; 1 secret life working on improvements or some1 of higher intelligence than all mankind created it all.
6. Others point 2 DNA (RNA in the 1rst organisms). But a cell needs DNA 2 function %26amp; DNA cant function without a cell. So, we hv a which came 1rst a cell or DNA problem. W/o 1rst having great intelligence/full knowledge/understanding of how an organism is constructed it cant b created. If an ape finds a combination lock he wouldnt know what it was. Even if he turns the dial over %26amp; over again he wouldnt know what he was doing %26amp; the chances against getting it right is astronomical - especially if it had 150 or more no. 2 find in the right order %26amp; even if he got that far he still wouldnt know what a lock is 4.
A cell has little ';intelligence'; %26amp; DNA is way more complex than a combination lock (especially in higher life forms) so the odds against figuring out %26amp; using DNA (in the correct sequence) is many magnitudes higher than 4 a lock). RNA/DNA r building blocks common 2 all life - having 98% of other species' DNA doesnt prove Ev. DNA like a computer code (but way more complex) requires great intelligence 2 identify %26amp; assign its proper order - its useless unless u understand it. Give a book 2 an ape. Its useless 2 him as he cant learn from whats written - intelligence is required.
7. In the fossil record we dont find millions of trial %26amp; error organisms that should exist if natural selection or fittest survivor is the source of Creation (no organisms existed b4). The odds r so great against near perfection happening 4 many millions of greatly diverse species, it couldnt take place unless 1 had full knowledge/understanding of what theyre doing B4 millions of organisms could b created 2 such precision. If not true millions of misfit organisms with mistakes, having only 1 or 3 eyes in odd places, 1 leg growing out of a head or where an arm should b or a fin where a leg should b should exist. Millions more misfit fossils should exist than of the perfection found in nature.
8. U won't find species like a horse mating a goat, a frog mating fish, a rabbit mating a dog, a lizard mating a bird, a cow mating a hog, etc. Species with similar genes/characteristics rarely mate in the wild. Only a few succeed @ bearing young. Its very rare that a wild crossbreed/hybrid reaches maturity or can bear over 1 litter (usually that litter cant produce or has complications that kills off the crossbreed). Only human intervention brings more success but even that has lead 2 some bad results.
9. Ev processes being ';the'; source of Creation is like having a blind man build a car he's never heard of, seen, touched, heard or rode in. It cant b done without 1rst teaching him about the functions/necessary parts %26amp; how 2 put it 2gether 4 the car 2 function.
10. Look @ the huge amount of intelligence/knowledge/understanding/tim鈥?%26amp; energy used 2 create %26amp; improve an airplane's capabilities (%26amp; many mistakes). If ppl didnt fully learn what 2 do we'd still b earthbound.
11. Creation is astronomically more complex than an airplane. The more complex an organism, the greater the amount of intelligence/knowledge/understanding needed 2 create it. It can only b done by an Intelligent Designer who already fully understands what He's doing - the sheer complexity of man is evidence of God (airplanes show we're created in God's image - God had 2 b the source of all Creation or it couldnt exist let alone evolve).
12. An incredibly Intelligent Being, capable of building a universe, knows the environment His earthly organisms r 2 occupy. So, He built in adaptability so His organisms could survive various environments.
13. Earth happens 2 b in the best possible orbit 2 support life. It has the right amount of gravity, the right axis %26amp; rotation speed, the right atmosphere (%26amp; ozone layer/Van Allen belt/magnetic field) %26amp; needed amount of water. The moon's the right size %26amp; in the right orbit 2 provide tidal cycles needed by organisms. Just 1 or 2 relatively small variants in our orbit/environment %26amp; most likely life would b very different %26amp; higher forms of life wouldve died off in a relatively short time, if they couldve survived.
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Problem is theres many religions, built on what man wants God 2 b like. I realized they cant all b right (Theres 1 Bible - why so many interpretations? II Pet 1:**19-21). Religion wont teach u much about God (they cant teach what they don't know) but God knows what He's doing. Who knows more about a house, the Builder or those moving in later?
Many miss this: Jesus is the only 1 in history who stated He's ';the'; way, ';the'; truth %26amp; ';the'; life %26amp; no 1 gets 2 God w/o Him (Jn 14:6; 5:39; 10:1,7; Acts 4:12) %26amp; is the only 1 who came from God. Its fully true or theres no truth %26amp; cant b any God (He knows what He's doing or He's not God). Either Jesus told the whole truth or He's a false prophet, among many, who should b disregarded.
Since Jesus is the only way 2 know God, ';the'; whole truth was complete %26amp; finished thru Jesus. So any claimed new or other religious beliefs or from self-proclaimed prophets/ teachers r invalid %26amp; wont lead u 2 God. God always knew all Jesus was 2 do.
Jesus couldnt hv done nor said whats written in the NT unless He fully knew the entire OT (NT didnt exist while Jesus was on earth). Jesus couldnt hv known the entire OT unless God was with Him. The Apostles couldnt write the NT unless Jesus allowed them 2 remember %26amp; know why He was here (Lk 24:25-27,45) - Only God could cause it.
Whoever seeks Jesus Christ with all his heart %26amp; soul will find God %26amp; His Kingdom (u shall know the truth %26amp; it'll set u free). U can lead a horse 2 water but u cant make it drink. Why should God want u 2 live with Him 4ever if u dont want 2 know Him His way (reason 4 free will - Jn 1:12-13)? The truth of God remains 4ever unchanged while things of a man dies with him, including his religions/gods made in his image.
God hates us b/c of our sins - neither being a good person as judged by men or religion can save u. But God also loves us dearly enough 2 send His Son 2 die for our sins - so that thru Jesus our sins could b 4given if we sincerely turn 2 Him - Theres eternal hope only in Jesus %26amp; His Bible.
voyc4rmwldrnsIf what you believe has no credibility, but you allow it control every aspect of your life, isn't that stupid?
Yes, it's called being fractally wrong.
When you base your life and other beliefs off of one premise that is unsupported then you end up with many unsupported and unjustified beliefs.
And Brooch, you don't seem to realize that atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. I'm really tired of Christians strawmaning atheists by assuming they are gnostic atheists(atheists who claim certainty in there being no god). The words atheist and theist address the belief or lack there of in gods. Merely rejecting the current god claims that have been put forth does not mean one accepts any claims, and therefor does not make a belief. So to be an atheist does not entitle any belief.
Even if you do find a gnostic atheist who accepts the claim that there is no possibility for a god to exist(unsupported belief), they would very likely not base their life around accepting that claim. While religious people very often base their life around their unsupported beliefs.If what you believe has no credibility, but you allow it control every aspect of your life, isn't that stupid?
Yes, it certainly is. For example:
'; ...the claim that science alone is a reliable road to true understanding of anything...a profession of faith known as scientism, a modern belief system [is] self-contradictory. Why self-contradictory? Because scientism tells us to take nothing on faith, and yet faith is required to accept scientism. What is remarkable is that none of the new atheists seems remotely prepared to admit that his scientism is a self-sabotaging confession of faith. Listen to Hitchens, 'If one must have faith in order to believe in something, then the likelihood of that something having any truth or value is considerably diminished'. But this statement invalidates itself since it too arises out of faith in things unseen. There is no set of tangible experiments or visible demonstrations that could ever scientifically prove the statement to be true. In order to issue the just-quoted pronouncement with such confidence, Hitchens already has to have subscribed to the creed of a faith community for which scientism and scientific naturalism provide the dogmatic substance. And Hitchens must know that most people do not subscribe to that creed, perhaps because there is no ';evidence'; for it.'; (excerpt from ';God and the New Atheism'; by John Haught, page 17)
';...Many believe that accepting the truth of Christianity would require them to change their thinking, friends, priorities, lifestyle, or morals, and they are not quite willing to give up control over their lives in order to make those changes. They believe that life would be easier and more fun without such changes. Perhaps they realize that while Christianity is about forgiveness, it's also about denying yourself and carrying your cross. Indeed, Christianity is free, but it can cost you your life...God has provided enough evidence in this life to convince anyone willing to believe, yet he has also left some ambiguity so as not to compel the unwilling. In this way, God gives us the opportunity either to love him or to reject him without violating our freedom...For love, by definition, must be freely given.'; ( ';I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist'; by Norman Geisler/Frank Turek, pgs. 30,31.)
It does have creditibility. did you know when an archeologist has a great find but doesnt know what ancient city he is looking at, the bible is one of the first places some of them go? did you know that a city was discovered recently...They found evidence of heavy fire damage throughout the whole city. The patterns of the ash made it seem as if the fire came from the sky? they also found brimstone. But there are no volcanoes anywhere near. The archeologist looked into the bible and found a story of the cities of sodom and gomorah... which God had destroyed by fire and brimstone that rained from the sky...theres a thought. also we dont base out faith off just the bible. We can feel it. the huge change in ourselves. i had a huge change and now i know he is truley real because he honestly changed me. it was amazing.
It sure is but those atheist just will not use the eyes and ears that God gave them to see what has been right in front of them all the time.
';Ever learning but never coming ot the knowledge of the truth';.
The more knowledge they think they acquire, the further they move away from God.
The whole idea of religion today comes from the Dark Ages of Christian rule when you had to bow down and worship what they tell you, otherwise you get in trouble!
We use to hang WITCHES in this Nation under God! Witches were the FIRST criminals sentenced to death in Christian Evangelical America!
So it became a routine for a lot of people in need of a crutch to function in America to embrace the Bible God religion...
Oh but it does have credibility.
No, it's faith.
Unless your agnostic, you believe in something that you don't know for sure (Yes, even Atheists).
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